Weird. You Watts twats kill me . There are many Chris Wattses with criminal charges, and I went through each one by one. A father in Michigan killed his two young children in a murder-suicide, police say. Shanann Watts: MLM & Magical Thinking just how bad was it? If he could then, in his mind, take care and fix all of that then he could make sure he got the girl, without any extra baggage holding her back from full on committing to him. ( her children were also murdered not just her!, cause maybe youre trying to say she deserved it?). Shannan had hell to deal with with Chris family while alive, least we can do is leave her at peace now shes dead. Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant with a son they planned to name Niko, friends and family have said. It does not change the fact that someone snuffed out the life of their wife and children in cold blood, after cheating on them for months, with no regard at all that they were their own family who thought they were safe with him. Just wondering, what is the point exactly of digging for dirt and slandering the character of a murder victim and the mother of two toddlers who got violently murdered? The fact that Watts appears to have requested insurance information may indicate that they had defaulted on these payments, or that he intended to take them over once Shanann was dead. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. He obviously was using both vehicles for various and a sundry things clothing changes, for dating purposes and whatever he put in and/or took out on the day he was caught running under the garage door and into the house. So many Businesses ,So Many Stores! I grew up in a white collar, educated household but my parents would often tell me about uneducated illiterate bible thumpers like yourself. Why is it creepy that she kept furniture and art that she already had? Im a nurse and Ive also wondered if Shanann was a bit subject to having Munchausen by Proxy. Perhaps that led to the babys health issue at birth. Remember how Nicole said that O.J.s beatings usually came as a result of her giving him a hard time about his cheating? Its vulgar too. But, she was born Shannon. That does not make her a sociopath, she was trying to make money from home. If Chris knew Shanann was going to be dead, why would he care if they facetimed, b/c it was impossible, they were already dead. Her family says she had a seizure but thats not true as her license wasnt suspended and thats standard following a seizure (whether it occurred while driving or not). Watts' work truck was outside during a hailstorm, one Shan'ann filmed, while "her" vehicle was in the garage. I believe Shanann was the primary force behind the debt spiral, but, as you suggest, Chriss passivity enabled it, so hes complicit too. During this discussion he briefly talks about Shananns being accused of embezzling money during her time there as a bookkeeper (Im speculating this is what she did), but then quickly glosses over this troubling information by stating shes still friends with her former Dirty South boss. Btw, I have wondered a little about Shananns mother. A crime journalist would check and double check stories and should surely pick up that its not the same person. Thanks to Shananns grotesque death and dumping of her body like trash at CERVI 319, Thrive have likely seen a windfall of sales over the last four months leading up to Christmas. The criminal record / charges that are being referenced in this bs article are not for the deceased ShanAnn Watts. then the person writing the report SWITCHES BACK TO PRESENT TIME, Tuesday evening, the time of the surveillance, and says that NOW CW is parked next to the truck and the Lexus trunk is open. Then you ARE AN IDIOT. Thats hell anyway.. Joanne, Jay Shank, Janie etc youre so ill informed itd be funny if it wasnt pathetic. Maybe, maybe not, but if thats how they did meet, its not the story she told on Facebook. Possibly a silly detail. But one entity has come out of this debacle with barely a speck of blame. Watts was not allowed to run errands in his work truck, which was fitted with a GPS and monitored by Anadarko. What is Henri van Bredas ring of power and pain? Chris Watts Stoic During His Arrest just like Scott Peterson, WTF? If Shanann was speaking on Watts behalf, telling everyone he was shopping for a new luxury car, when it was actually her auto bonus, her business, and her aspirations [or promotional aspirations], then she was representing an acquisitive ability that wasnt merely a gross exaggeration, were able to see in the discovery dump that it wasnt true. I especially appreciate your comment that Shanann started losing her life before she died, that she was caught up in something that consumed her and eventually othersultimately the entire Watts family, including Chris. She changed it to Shanann. Dirty South Customs = Shananns Dirty Little Secret? The evidence is in the actions, not the words, dear. Manipulation is the KeyWord! The Discovery Documents are unambiguous about Watts not only backing up his truck onto the driveway on the morning of the disappearance, but that witnesses had observed the Lexuss rear hatch was open at the same time. [Discovery Documents, page 2111]. According to Bishop, the leasing company took back Shananns 2016 Lexus, and because it was too old to be leased out any further, they auctioned it off As I read your book, I couldnt help thinking about different people in my life that seem to rely on their image or materialistic things more than others. Do people really think they can make money with this etcand apply that to the delusional psychology of the crime itself. So how did Shanann afford the first house when working in retail / nursing care ? Her real given birth name is pronounced Shannon and leads to many mistakes. Apologists say it was for surgeries and medications fine but if she has Munchausen and Munchausen by proxy, these amounts make sense. On page 553 Det. Time. More from her mother I would think, than her dad. As far as you posting alleged stories from Chris watts, could be from a crack pot seeking attention, you dont know everything about neither of them either yet youre acting like some Shannon historian, allow those who are interested in facts and not emotionally drowning, to see another side, one dimensional views do not help. Millions of curious Americans have visited Shananns still public page since August 13th, and in the process of getting to know her by watching her videos, millions have been pitched. The dogs did pick up all over the house down in the basement up in one of the girls rooms and few others places. They are dead, very dead and Chriss??? lol Did your white collar, educated parents teach you that too? If so, whose children are these anyway? State Seeking Leave to Appeal on #OscarPistorius Sentencing Hearing, August 25 [LIVE BLOG], Oscar Pistorius Sentencing Hearing: Day 1 [LIVE COVERAGE], Henris Humiliation lies at the heart of the Triple Axe Murder Motive [WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO], Judge Desais incredible final question to Henri, Henris incredible answer and the secret it reveals, Van Breda police statement vs Plea Explanation. But there have been no buyers, according to Realtor.com. Celeste Watts and Shanann Watts via the Daily Mail Bella Watts and Celeste Watts via the Daily Mail. this report is that on that evening he is observed pulling out of the driveway in the Lexus, pulling up to his work truck parked down the street, opening the Lexus hatch and transferring some items. He stupidly called the girls preschool and the realtor. In other words, her sales pitch was essentially to lure others into spending beyond their means as well. What really jumps out is the debt and oddly enough, things HER mother has said (again mom in the flesh speaking on YOUTUBE). However, I want to see an alibi for her on the morning of the murders. Thank you kindly. In one of the early LE interviews with Chris, he references Shananns working for the Dirty South dealer back in North Carolina. But Thrivers dont pose around fancy cars, and post themselves doing that on Facebook, do they? I know that we cant overanalyze everything and that a childs behavior can be indicative of many different things (or nothing at all) but I couldnt help wondering if Ceces seemingly constant mischief, tantrums, etc. I have no idea why. Police said 34-year-old Shanann Watts, who was pregnant, was found dead on property owned by Anadarko Petroleum, one of the state's largest oil and gas drillers, where her husband Christopher. My Ex Son In Law was Stationed in Fort bragg NC! Rohde Trial: The 1 Factor that determines murder or suicide, The #1 Reason Susan Rohde DIDNT kill herself, According to Brendan Miller, Susan Rohde was calm shortly before her death. Sociopath? Cindys actions resembled those of a sociopath. Also, I think the night she came home (after buying hair products online, of course), she accused him of having an affair, and that was all it took for him to finally just blow his top. I know one thing. I know not who hes the bitch of now but this is Karma time.. When this tragedy happened they brought attention to them selves and raised all sorts of funds and now they want privacy, cant have it both ways. Moreover, I suspect the embezzling rumors have legs because she likely needed money to service the mortgage on the mansion-sized North Carolina house, as well as to purchase the very nice furnishings for it. Van Breda: Mondays Closing Arguments what to expect? Following a six minute call to Shanann, Shanann sent Watts an insurance identification card on the Lexus on July 30, the morning following his return from the Great Sand Dunes National Park. Then you ARE AN IDIOT. (Only after he confessed did they impound the truck.). ShanAnn changed her name so Shannon was ShanAnn. This woman is more complex than a Rubiks cube. Like a huge amount. If duplicated, please delete one. I believe it was auctioned off because they could get a better price. Cece was taking Omeprazole, an unusual drug for a child. Chris revealed. Dirty South Customs = Shananns Dirty LittleSecret? Did he think this would all go away and he could take Nichole out on another date? . Abusers blame the victims, Every. He kept his room immaculate. What was she being given to eat? I wanted to provide the primary motivation for the killing of the girls that burns red hot rather than green (money). Posted below A comment from someone who knew Chris and his family from childhood. Thanks for you question. It was a 2016 Lexus SUV, it was only 1 1/2 years old upon her death, that is not too old to be leased again. Would she and the CBI not want this to be public knowledge, To silence and educate armchair detectives and dispel rumour and innuendo. Im a mother and I would never do anything like it. they did find Shanann's car and all . So his auto bonus, was actually hers. Chris HAD to get into Shannan's Lexus even BEFORE he went into his house to pretend he was looking f Shannon Ruzeck King -Watts IS her real name. Once Chris Watts finally arrived at the house, he quickly shook the officer's hand and then ran into the garage, stopped to open the door to Shanann's car, and then went into the house from . According to lazymanandmoney.com, Le-Vel/Thrive arent unique in using the luxury car lure as bait. If you think ShanAnn was a mentally sound and stable individual, I fear for not only your intelligence, but you discretion as well. A car should never be leased once it is 12 years or older. Luann has 20 years of . What I cant figure out well, theres a lot I cant figure out but I digress is what did he think he was going to do with Shananns car? The incident with the peanuts just sounds like Cindy found their health issues an inconvenience, just like she showed her attitude for the catering of the wedding and anything else they trusted her with. Reading the transcripts again and honing in on the things Nichole K. said it sounds like she gave mixed messages to the investigator but more importantly to Watts. I dont see anything more sinister than that. Luann Watts is a board certified Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner with experience in treating the mental health needs of clients of all ages, diagnoses and needs. Sometime he slept top bunk sometimes he slept bottom. Well said Nick. Im a Catholic too, but lord, grandmother Rzucek ( Sandra) is a bit off the planet about it. Oh dear, Frank Rzucek.Indeed he looks a bit of a lad. It was practically brand new. Why is it such a god-awful mess? How and Why I chose Van Gogh as a True Crime Investigation, Maddening Money Matters Excerpt from The Murder of Vincent van Gogh, Vincent van Goghs letter to Theo, January 1882, outlining his rows with Pa and Ma. Also the three against Chris watts was a different Chris watts. There are many more sick things Ive heard him say, deep in my memories, deep down where I kept things for many years. In my opinion, Chris mother, Cindy, suspected her daughter-in-law, Shanann, of faking the illnesses of her daughters and put those peanuts in front of them (during that ill-fated visit) to prove her point. Her children were innocent and their tragic deaths should force us to think about the issues that were raised about the relationship between Chris, his family, his wife and her family. ..those 15 charges were against Shannon Watts, not Shanann Watts. If it is how they met, one can understand how she might want to keep this aspect of her life under wraps from the fairy tale obsessed Thrive crowd. No one would believe me if i would say anything. Henri van Bredas axe at the DeZalze crime scene whats wrong with this picture? There was something wrong with the little girls digestive system. I noticed that two people in particular grew up in households with a bi-polar mother. The poor darling. I am here because the world is full of flying monkeys and revisionists. A 17 year old? Remember what O.J. Rail Passenger Cars and Equipment . The Lexus is one reality that was employed in the Watts family fairy tale to convey an alternative reality. He was very young, about 9 or 10, when I was 8, I think. So theres not a lot of information out there from disgruntled employees, but there is some, like this, posted on Reddit in 2017.Of course, former employees are contractually and legally obligated not to disclose sensitive information, and if they do, they can be and often are sued. Thats not creepy. Meredith Kercher: Another Murderer to go Free? Essentially Shanann got Amanda to join LeVel. Shame on you !! The Watts family murders occurred on August 13, 2018, in Frederick, Colorado, US. Single. Its shocking that she was hired by a childrens hospital, being a career criminal and all.. Genuis! Unless of course, they kill their child, I dont mind judging these worthless individuals. I had watched the Santa video prior to reading your book and just sat there horrified. Adrian & Blissfield Roaring Fork 6742 (ex SP) LW economy baggage car renamed Watts Creek . I would like to see Trisnatichs video for the whole day Sunday August 12 as well as Shananns arrival at 1:48 a.m. Were being gypped by not getting everything. God Bless !!! Departing from that grim note, a very joyful holiday to you all who participate on your site. ), One last thing-I did a quick search on Shananns old address for the home she owned in Belmont NC and found an old listing with photos that definitely include some of her furniture and decor. [Meanwhile, her credit cards are maxed out, shes about to lose her house,and tragically in Shananns case, her life]. One cadaver dog showed interest in the Anadarko work truck parked out front. *that is the information this report from the surveilling officer is conveying about what he observed Tuesday evening*. MCCANN WORLDWIDE EXCLUSIVE: #Shakedown reveals the inside scoop to Sunday Nights Breakthrough! By Jeff Truesdell. Yes the 15 charges were definitely reported. her legal name IS Shannon Watts. Anyway, he was like one year older than me and we played in his backyard all the time. Their brains become calibrated to constant gaslighting, belittling and bullying. I DO know, however, that he was obsessed with sex from a very very young age. Bella appeared to be a deep thinking, intelligent, v thoughtful child, even at such a young age. I thought I read something in discovery but I cant find it so not sure thats where I actually read that. . If Oscar wanted to sell his story, could he, and if he could, why doesnt he, and if he has, how has he? Maybe if Chris had more love and support for that marriage with Shannan from his family in the first place things may not have gone this far with him disposing of them like dirt. In The Army! I am not at all suggesting that Shanann was bipolarjust thinking about the various reasons that some people seem to need the validation etc as you mentioned in the book. The murders were a very crass and grotesque way of doing that. Her first words to Shannans mother regarding Chris and Shannan were to the effect of, I dont get it, I dont see that she is in love with him (in love with Chris) but what she was probably really trying to say deep down is, I dont like her!. Thats creepy. And in fact he goes straight there with no stops. She needed that medicine. Shananns name was/is often misspelt as its so close to the more common Shannon. STRANGE persons research a murdered womans past . If that is all it is then fine, but this is a travesty . Shanann had at least 3 different names. Well. An Amber Alert was not issued due to Shanann Watts' car being found . UPDATED. There was a mirror and art piece that I recognized from her videos in Colorado. Why didnt they just move back to NC,! Seriously, If you think anyone believes the bullshit youre trying to feed us, that youre boyfriend is a victim? On August 21, when detective Baumhover contacted Atkinson, she was getting ready to do a night shift as a nursing assistance at Mesa Vista Nursing Home in Boulder, a short drive west of Frederick and Erie. Its not as simple as: if there are no charges there are no charges. Did Shan'ann Watts know something was seriously wrong in August? Someone needs to dig back into Shananns past in order to understand what happened in the future (I dont mean to discredit Shanann but to get a better understanding). Was the change of clothing deposited in the Lexus because he hoped to grab the clothing and take to work 8/13 after he got rid of his burial clothing, or might he kept clothing changes in the cargo area of the Lexus to change into after all those nights spent at Nichole Kessengers? Facebook For 23 hours a day, Watts is on lockdown. I went through a windshield as a child much younger than she claimed to be and the scar is quite visible. Shanann Watts died Intestate Is A Court Battle Looming in Probate Court over Life Insurance? Sorry to be persnickety but in a case where full interviews and all investigative documents are public it makes no sense to not be accurate when discussing the case. Or are they kidnapped and used in this sick psyop? Its outrageous to see people defaming the victim of murder. No history of seizure activity, I guess her parents believed what she told them but this whole thing was a farce. 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