Then there is another thing. Wherever he turned, he harassed them. 1. You see, famine on the scale like thisthree yearsis a sign from God that things were not copacetic in the land. But, the big thing was that he did not consult God about what he should do about it. However, there was a difference between Israel's version and the Gentiles' principle of vengeance or retribution. They knew all the things God had stipulated about what they were to do when Israel was going to come into the land. Berean Literal Bible Acts 13:21. A snare is a trap. This incident of the famine took place rather late in David's life. persecuted and killed the Gibeonites men in a covenant relationship with Israel who served at the tabernacle. Therefore David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? We want them to reflect what a real person would do in extreme or extraordinary circumstances. And those two are questionable. The rains did not come after the Days of Unleavened Bread when these seven men were executed. God is warning here that sin has consequences. This indicates that God was not pleased, whatsoever, with how this situation was resolved by David. God did not necessarily overlook all their sins, but He certainly forgave them. How did the spirit of God move upon the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2? However, if they did not participate, they are not going to be given a black mark by God for something that they did not do. It seems that modern Westerners want their heroes flawed. However, the Gibeonites did. Spiritual virtues and qualities are largely unseen yet are more real and potent in lasting effects than the most formidable nuclear pile. Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the man who trusts in Him! DESTRUCTION AND CORRUPTION Then the men of David swore to him, saying, "You shall go out no more with us to battle, lest you quench the lamp of Israel.". Moreover, Samuel said, "What have you done? So Joshua made peace with them, and made a covenant with them to let them live; and the rulers of the congregation swore to them. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. This is certainly not the David of Psalm 34, where he wrote. Only in one sense, there was a fall of man, but certainly not in the traditional sense. He decided to let the Gibeonites dictate everything. There are things like destruction for their sin, and the family takes that long to recover from that destruction. Back to the Gibeonitesmost people probably did not remember it. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. We have a very simple biblical principle here: God is just. And we bear the guilt with them for that. So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." He did this "in his zeal for. When this righteous ruler turned to God, the Lord showed him that arrogant error of his predecessor. Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. It does not seem so. 20, and still another between Saul and David in 1 Samuel 24. EVIL'S ULTIMATE END. Although he had peace at this time, I think he was worried because they just had two successive rebellions, and were almost to the point of victory over King David until they were eliminated. The rest of the Canaanites resented the defection of the Hivites which so greatly weakened the forces for defense, and, headed by Adoni-zedek of Jerusalem, they assembled to wreak vengeance on Gibeon. He is able to judge justly. I think he was very low. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. Saul agreed, and off he went. Seven of Sauls descendants were hanged as a result. He went after a people that God did not want exterminated anymore. A person dies for his own sins, not those committed by someone else, whether father, son, or black sheep uncle. This famine has been going on for three years, year after year. It is for Saul. He had to plead to God for clearing and forgiveness, for cleaning up, because he knew it was not in himself to do that. Time to retire!" Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. If, in the event the Israelis ever came their way, they would be servants to the people of Israel. You didn't do it. God's correction may come a How long was the average lifespan at the time? (Now the Gibeonites were not Israelites, but a remnant of the Amorites. You are getting later and later in David's life here. Let's see what's in our bag of tricks. That is the bottom line. And then King David inquired of the Lord. The breach of contract was serious enough that God sent the famine in response. David asked. The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. But, are these people telling the truth? God is just. You had to go up quite a bit. The higher the vote, the further up an answer is. Notice the timing and the manner of the execution. So, give or take, 40 to 50 years have passed. We see in this little vignette that innocent people die; grief lingers forever; idolatry is committed; and the curse of famine continues; another harvest fails; and the land remains defiled; everything stinks of death. Her actions made David realize that he had violated another of God's commands by leaving the bodies of Saul, Jonathan, and the seven other sons unburied. What is meaning of 2 Cor. But it appears at least 40, maybe 50 years in the past. That is the background on the Gibeonites, and their relationship with Israel. How many died in sicknesses? They did not inquire. Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death [he cannot buy his way out]. To re-establish peace between the two tribes, David fulfills the Gibeonites request to sacrifice two heirs of Israels throne, Sauls sons and grandsons. Then they went back and took Ai. David may have begun to think about this now, "What is going on here? Another thing that God said to do was not done. And that is why God heeded the prayer of the land. We don't hear much of the Gibeonites again until the reign of King Saul. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. He did not perform any miracle, or any other thing to show that He was happy with the way that things turned out. It is after Absalom's rebellion. They had advance warning. Does the Bible encourage the practice of Lent? He sees the hearts of men and the hidden actions of men. It only says that God heeded the prayer of the land. Hearing that Joshua was camped in their general neighborhood, after his devastating defeat of the strategic cities of Jericho and Ai, the Gibeonites sent a delegation to him at nearby Gilgal. They fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and they were stuck. King David was probably huffing and puffing, "I can't lift this thing! * 1 Samuel 18:12 KJV And Saul was afraid of David, because the LORD was with him, and was departed from Saul. * 1 Samuel 18:15 KJV Wherefore when S He made huge errors in judgment, both personally and in a larger sense. In addition, his own soldiers had to tell him, "David, you just don't have it anymore. But they refused the offer. . 12 Saul said, Listen now, son of Ahitub.. Does the devil have power to make us sick? Saul also had sound state reasons for his action, for the Gibeonites were occupying an enclave in the very For all his misguided efforts and pains, Saul reaped the fruits of his delusion. Is that what happened?" Leviticus 26:18-20 And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. In the economy of God's providence, however, such tiny events often matter much. There was a great deal of turmoil in Israel leading up to this time. WebThe biblical writer confirms this charge by stating that Saul tried to annihilate [ nkah, to inflict a dead blow] them (2 Sam. The consequences are not the guilt. The Bible doesnt really say. This is taken from the book Antiquities of the Jews, pg. 7: AFTER this, when the country was greatly afflicted with a King Saul (and his house?) WebThe Gibeonites Hang Saul's Descendants 21 While David was king, there were three years in a row when the nation of Israel could not grow enough food. So the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore to Saul; and the five sons of Michal [Merabsee margin of most Bibles] the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite; and he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them on the hill before the LORD. Exodus 21:23-25 But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. During Davids reign, the people of Gibeon demanded that all of Sauls children be put to death so as to atone for a severe famine. 'Whoever kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses [another layer that comes in]; but one witness is not sufficient testimony against a person for the death penalty. 0 responses In other words, we want them to be just like us. At most it was about ten miles awaynot very far at all. I Samuel 14:47-48 So Saul established his sovereignty over Israel, and fought against all his enemies on every side, against Moab, against the people of Ammon, against Edom, against the kings of Zobah, and against the Philistines. The famine was a punishment for Sauls violation of the covenant, made with the Gibeonites back during the days of Joshua. That would be a town in Benjamin just north of Jerusalem. We are starting to get some of the atmosphere around this event now. This is in the second commandment. So, it is very likely that these men were murdered both as retribution and as sacrifices to some pagan god to spite the God of the Bible, and therefore, Israel. This has become known as the "eye for an eye principle." One other thing: Samuel said that God is not going to go back on His word. They are still there. If we were reading this quickly, and not really thinking about it, and not understanding God's own character, we might think that this says that God allows the guilt of sin to pass down three or four generations. This does not make any sense. The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. All they wanted, they said, was a peace treaty with Israel; then they would return to their distant home. And it very seriously affected his judgment in this matter. Most people living in modern, Western culture better identify with flawed heroes, rather than perfect heroes. Lets be clear from the very beginning, David was kind to Mephibosheth for his father Jonathans sake (2 Samuel 9:1). Mephibosheth was only five ye This would be in the spring during or after the Days of Unleavened Bread. It wouldnt be surprising if these people had become worshippers of God, from their exposure to the tabernacle and teaching. Joshua and that generation did not do their entire job, and so they were stuck. WebDavid serves Saul with music on his harp Nov 24, 1025. ", The Gibeonites, we are told, were not necessarily a warlike people. "Now therefore, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaveswoodcutters and water carriers for the house of my God." On the other hand, when people do well, like Abraham, and they live God's way of life, this allows God the leeway to show mercy unto thousands of generations of people. Why were two of Saul's sons and five of Saul's grandsons killed for a crime they didn't commit? Davids choice of victims reflects at least the covenant between him and Jonathan, if not also the one between him The Bible implicitly hints at something which caused a feud which was settled only by the blood of Sauls descendants. These are the two hints. 1 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. The angel of the LORD encamps all around those who fear Him, and delivers them. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! About two years ago, Barry Watson, our lone member in Namibia, wrote me an email message in which this incident was at the heart of it. What should we get out of this? He was not thinking spiritually. King David came at it from a position of weakness, not of one who knew God's law and could answer these people from spiritual strength. God has torn the kingdom from you. No one killed king David. He died of old age, at the age of three score and ten (70 years). His son Solomon succeeded him. You might be thinking of So they fell, all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest. Then they were able to pick up the pieces of their lives and move forward by the strength that God gave them to overcome and to grow, and to put on the mindthe characterof Christ. Now Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until the late rains poured on them from heaven. Psalm 34:4-10 I sought the LORD, and He heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. 2 And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the In Rizpahs case, her husband, King Saul, broke his promise that the Israelites would spare the Gibeonites in battle; he ordered the Israelites to annihilate them. And that day Joshua made them woodcutters and water carriers for the congregation and for the altar of the LORD, in the place which He would choose, even to this day. They handed their enemies hard, stale, moldy bread and told them it had been freshly baked when they left home. The historical narrative of King David is drawing to a close. We have to understand that the people of the land represent the things we need to overcomeour human nature and our problems; the world and its pulls to its ways; and Satan and all the ways that he tries to manipulate us. Then Gibeon was a mile or two more to the north-northwest. From the time of Joshua, throughout the long period of the Judges, the very presence of these deceitful people had not only been a thorn in the side of the Israelis; their position in the land was a dividing wedge that separated southern Judah from the rest of the Kingdom. But talk about your flawed heroes! In 1 Samuel 10, Saul first tries to kill David by straight up pinning him to the wall with his spear, but David dodges twice. And David sought the face of the Lord. They may not have been involved at all, depending on how early in Saul's reign this event took place. he put the Gibeonites to death. WebOne of the mothers of the men hanged by the Gibeonites protected the bodies of Saul's sons from birds and wild beasts day and night. In 2 Samuel 21, we read of the tragic repercussion that followed when King Saul didnt honor the covenant and murdered some Gibeonites. II Samuel 21:1-2 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. Joshua kept his word to the Gibeonites even when it was inconvenient. It would be the equivalent of an event somewhere between the Korean War and the Vietnam War. So they fell, all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest. But the king spared Mephibosheth the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, because of the LORD's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. This is pretty clear. How does this all connect with Ezekiel chapter 18? The problem was that God had not told Saul to do this, God had told Joshua to do that. See? Therefore, this curse goes down until the gene pool is able to kick it outthree or four generations. God said explicitly to destroy everything! We cannot let them linger around. One is God's judgment upon the actual person for the actual sin; the other is God's punishment that He has automatically put into the law that allows the effects to last for a few generations. Evidently, that is what he did. Saul killed a lot of people. They did not seek God in this matter. Yet, because of the long time that has passed since then until now, when the Gibeonites were asked to bring it up, how many of the guilty ones had died? Perhaps if I go and kill all the Gibeonites like Joshua was supposed to do, maybe God will let me back into the chair.". Let me ask God about this. The Jewish Encyclopedia asserts that one group of rabbis felt that Saul's punishment at God's hands is a sign of his weak moral character whose only virtue was being tall and handsome. He came at this as though he were guilty with Saul; that all Israelites were guilty with Saul and his house. After that, they had their problems at Ai, and figured out that Achan was responsible for that. How much food did Jesus produce? There is a very important difference. These curses are things like diseases that might affect genetics, and they came as the result of sin. And Agag, he's a nice guy! Asked August 31 2013 WebSaul kills the gentile Gibeonites (2 Sam 21) & banishes mediums in preparation for Tabernacle being moved from Nob to Gibeon. It would have been the answer. When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." He tried to come up with a compromise, and that was basically, "Whatever you want, you can have." He did not negotiate at all. He just let matters continue naturally and let it rub in for another six or seven months. There was a covenant with those people that not only Joshua and the people honored, but also God Himself honored as well. 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