Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. I will take it to heart and now that Ive learned the 4 3 1 rule Ill not forget it, and not fail to abide by it while in bear country, and quite probably every time Im hunting. Not like that should be a problem anyways. Answer (1 of 2): Plenty of them. Size. There is a lot of nonsense out on the internet from people who have never seen a bear and have probably never cut up a dead critter to see what a bullet will do. into camp look for a meal in the ice chest. The bear was hurt so it couldnt run thank God abd CVA. All good options. Its light and easy to carry.. This was a glaring example of surprise; this area, while remote, rugged and wooded, wasnt known for its bear population, very few had ever been seen there, but that one bear had my employees undivided attention. The capsaicin in the bear spray will act as an irritant and will likely make the animal retreat. A moose attacked me on my property when I first moved here, but it was because I was trying to get close enough for a good picture really DUMB! I looked at my knife on my hip and quickly decided thst wouldnt work. But I enjoy listening to people who think they know everything prove they dont. They can be found throughout the state apart from the southeastern desert and the Central Valley. Your .357 magnum should be fine and easier to get off a second shot on target. I am a handgun hunter who lives in Wyoming and hunts the Beartooth. Id be packing heat. 9. The .45 Colt makes a formidable handgun cartridge, especially in a pistol as strong as the Blackhawk, where the pressures and velocities can be ramped up a bit. Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement chasing after and retrieving spent brass. (altho I make and sell them) I want straight line complete penetration best offered by a hard LBT. If I find it I will post it. For self defense/house protection/ But also a few manufacturers that load plus P 45 Colt rounds that are every bit as powerful as the 44 magnum. Take it from someone who has been nose to nose with many big bears by accident if youre going into bear country willingly take as big a double action revolver as you can keep all rounds in the target black. My advice would be take the largest caliber you can comfortably handle. Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. I disagree one cant empty a glock into a bearIf that makes me a fool then I guess Ill continue to be one but I fire all those guns weekly having the benefit of a backyard range. Mountain lions killed 15 dogs in 30 days near a Colorado town. Also, for killing venomous snakes. mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. After watching a grizzly tear apart a moose calf in the Tetons I took my s&w .40 to a pawn shop and traded it for a .41 magnum Taurus tracker with a 4 ported barrel, The S&W .500 was too heavy to carry while hiking. I can shoot 100rds of 480 in a day, that equals two loads of .44 mag or one shot of casull and none of the 500. Ammunition To Go : 50rds - 38 Special Federal LE 158gr. Unfortunately, an enraged bear will knock you down before your gun clears leather. Thank you! The child was scratched by the cats paw when the lion was spooked by gunfire. If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. Personally, I do my best to avoid any encounter that could turn ugly, but thats not always the case. Why not? A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. Seriously funny ! My choice is the 500 S&W. Can you show any proof that we are destroying anything? The 357-magnum case is just a bigger capacity shell able to provide much better performance. I recommended getting a .357 Magnum or a larger caliber. Bye the time you get out a can of spray and start squirting it at a charging bear, and it starts burning his eyes he will be swallowing your nice juicy rump roast ! Back in the 70s, this form of competition was only for revolvers. I would also explore all the different kinds ammo available that would be the best for an attack by a bear. Regarding your story about the two men from California who discharged bear spray in their hotel room in their haste to try it out forcing the hotel to gut and refinish the room entirely, of course after evicting the two Californians. The compilation lists 61 mountain lion attacks that resulted in injuries in the 16 and a half years, and at least 31 cases where attacks were thwarted by aggressive action. The BS in this article is deep. CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake Mountain lions are very dangerous animals that are capable of killing creatures larger than themselves. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. Answer (1 of 12): There's a lot of variables in play with this question and a 9mm pistol round is NOT a good round to take down a large predator with. DRT. Mountain lions dont have a reputation for requiring powerful firearms to put them down. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. into the Grizzly point blank range killing it. Handloads push a 300-grain to just over 1,000 fps, so it just cracks the code. Oct. 14, 2020 6:15 PM PT. Predator animals act by instinct when challenged and hunt for food not to rob you or for the pleasure of killing you. LOL. I know Phil has seen more bears killed than I ever will, but he got lucky. It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! Almost no one practices with bear spray and almost no one can get their can to bear (pun intended) and spray within 4-5 seconds. But in advanced Industrialized Countries your a dying bread of cat. The cowboy loads are mild and fun to shoot and loaded with 300 plus grain hot loads it is very similar to a 44 mag. Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. Really. Ive ditch my .460 Rowland. The recoil is quite severe for all of these loads and I cant imagine wanting or needing to go to the 460 Rowland! Mountain Lions have been known to take out horses, cattle, sheep . Powerful but lower recoil than a .454 Casull, .460 or a .500 S&W. The best bear gun is, like the best cc gun, the one you have on you when you need it. Regarding my loads, Im partial to a 230 grain Federal Hydra-Shok jacketed hollowpoint staggered with 230-grain lead cast bullet, one following the other, the first round out of the magazine a Hydra-Shok. The animal slain by the man charged on Tuesday was a mountain lion known to wildlife biologists as P-38, a male about 7 years old believed to have sired four litters of cubs, said Karen Wold . I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. Ive hunted brown bear three times with a hand gun only. Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. Hunters killed off mountain lions in the park in the 1930s but the animals moved back in during the 1980s. sounds like you have too many guns and cant decide on which one to take. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. While hunting is one of my favorite pastimes, fishing and hiking are a wonderful means of spending time with friends and family and living in close proximity to both the Catskill and Adirondack mountains, there is ample opportunity for both of those activities. A 10-year-old boy was killed by a mountain lion while hiking near Grand Lake in 1997, and an adult runner was killed in Idaho Springs in 1991. Until you dump a 15 rd mag into some calibrated ballistics gel, hold your amateur and mis-informed comments for all the other mommys wanna bes. My two cents. Why dont you go out in the woods and try out some of your hollowpoints . May 24, 2022 Alexis. This calls for a heavy crimp (I use a Redding profile crimp die and seat and crimp in two seperate operations useing H-11O or Win. Ive reached out for three gentlemen all of whom I call a friend for advice and a few experiences regarding their encounters. Put three or four gun writers in the same room, and youll usually get four different answers, but I think youre seeing a common thread here. Between travel & the country this gun was never more than arms reach away all that time!! Yes I admit this was a freak happening. A handgun was what you might carry out to take a dump at night to make you feel better. I think it was POOR ARTICLE FROM A PERSON WHO IS SITTING IN AN ARM CHAIR MOSTLY AND BASTE ON HEAR SAY. I read with interest the side arms in bear country. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. Since Proposition . Had that sow felt threatened, I wouldnt have known what hit me. the 45 Colt has the advantage. I would still rather have a 12 gauge though. The 148 grain SC is great as long as it is a hollow base, and loaded backwards with the hollow base facing out. I also recommend if youre down to your last round and the bear is still coming, use the last round on yourself. Your bear protection gun is never going to be your regular carry gun, no long afternoons firing box after box it is a single purpose tool. Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! Does Bear Spray work?.. If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. I always heard all you need is a .25 auto. A grizzly bear is a formidable foe, having no issue whatsoever proving its dominance over human beings. By Anders Anglesey On 11/3/21 at 11:39 AM EDT. 7.6225 Red Army Standard 86gr. Its been years since Ive regularly shot revolvers. Curiosity got the better of them, and they managed to discharge the canisters in their hotel room that night. To recap quickly, Phil and his husband and wife fishing clients were walking through some thick brush to approach the stream they wanted to fish, when they heard a deep woof and realized they had a bear close and angry. concealed carry and for the outdoors: hiking, fishing, camping, bird watching, gathering I can say the 41 is probably my minimum for the big bears. My Glock 10 mm w/ 15 + 1,in Nope, no way. great chose but as always ,, we forget the 41 magnum.. 454=1 44=2 and that family on that show Alaska running around with them 10mm auto are waiting to be eating by a Big Brown bear. Been involved in 2 grizz encounters. Hard cast is king. The bfr is very easy shooting postal and extremely accurate. Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. Even then, I havent seen a failure in nearly 10 loadings, at which time I usually get rid of them. Its also probably a one or two shot deal, so firepower is irrelevant. That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. Ok Rambo ! Black bears and mountain lions can be killed if they cause death or injury to other people. Just my thoughts!! I believe he used a 9mm. Made me wonder Dont these manufacturers know that hard cast is more effective? Perhaps they were just given that name to sound scary, but are really made for 2 legged predators? As I think about it, I very well might start doing what commenter New Continental Army suggested: carry two guns. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. For College Campuses! Yes, the first round was the fatal round but it didnt stop the bear. They are beautiful animals I love seeing in the wild, but from a very safe distance, downwind of the bear. Watch on. I want to be able to pump 8 to 18 rounds in his head as fast as I can. Having read that the US Fish and Game guys carried .357 Mag in bear country, but this was in the 1970s, and I have no ides how true that was or is now, I figured 10mm S&W with hardball would do the job even better, but the hunters I hang with think that never gets old. With a 3-inch barrel and a six-shot cylinder combining for a weight of just 25 ounces, this gun was made to be both carried and shot. Same holster also. This makes cougars great jumpers, able to leap from the ground 18 feet up into a tree. bear which turned on him. A bear spray story- I believe that folks who do their own reloading can increase the powder and velocity of this caliber, but I am reluctant to try the beefed up bullets in a Scandium or polymer framed weapon. Ive chronoed this load at 1325fps, its kickass on Elk. That is a political and social problem.. There are too many stories of people getting mauled by bears that charged right through their attempt to spray it, and they could never get to their gun in time once the bear hit. I want POWER ! Teardrop-shaped toes. I just wander where his Pistol and the rigging went to. What did you have I asked, he said he had a .454 Casull in a shoulder harness. I carry my Ruger SP101 357 on me always, and when camping, I have my 45-70 close by. This has way more energy and velocity ahah a standard loading and the judge and governor probably would not safely shoot those loads. is excellent. My grandparents have a home on rockytop Tennessee, with a few caves. The black bears have been stopped with pistols, rifles, shotguns and once with an ax. Most glocks can be purchased for about 600 dollars. No bear or cubs life is worth a human life. If so, what is the problem? For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. State officials have issued a permit allowing a rancher to kill P-45, a mountain lion believed to be responsible for the recent killings of livestock near Malibu, Calif. (National Park Service via AP) and females' territories can range up to 60 square miles. First shot went wild as the bear clamped down on his forearm and shook him. I think that the 480 Ruger is a real sparkling over looked gem. I had never shot a bear before , so I decided to put it down with a shot to the next. The Casull is an updated and slightly elongated version of the .45 Colt, fully capable of firing .45 Colt ammunition. Your 9mm, .38 spl. But again, as the species is protected, they were unable to carry out efforts to catch it. 38 special will kill you just as dead as a . He saved them both, barely, with his .338 rifle. 357. Any thoughts on this combo for bear country? The only grizzly I ever saw that was dead right there.. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . .357, .44 mag, 10mm. He killed the first recorded Texas alligator attack on a man on land EVER! I almost needed a new clean pair of drawers. Colt Magnum June 7, 2018 At 19:23. 50 round box should last a lifetime. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. Full power 10mm anyone? Hard cast bullets at 1100 fps. Usually blacktail deer. Not being a cougar hunter, didnt pay much attention to it. Young cubs are emerging for the first time, and mothers are ultra-protective. The 30-50 yd accuracy is simple.AMAZING SHOT PLACEMENT WITH POWER. A mountain lion's skull is thicker than that of a human, and they can survive shots from firearms that are much more powerful. Especially when you carry an extra mag. , .357 mag. My new Ruger Super Blackhawk can handle hot + P 45 colt loads. At the range, 3 or 4 factory rounds and Ive had enough. You could see he was definitely sizing [P.J] up, Smith said. I have been carrying my 1911 or my Taurus PT-92 for years and know what each round can do as a former US Army medic. One would shoot the bear with a 22 rimfire: often a single shot, while his partner would harpoon the bruin to prevent it sinking. I started reloading and when the bear got to about 12 yards, I dropped my percussion cap in the leaves. Do you have a rare 5-shot model, or just down to your last five cartridges for the photo shoot? The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. He was knocked down to the ground getting mauled fending off the black bear with his left arm while he drew and fired his semi-auto point blank into the bears throat with his right. The wife and I carry 7.5 Ruger Redhawks in 480 Ruger. After all bears are quite well armed are they not? Can you shoot while on your back or while youre being chewed on? While mountain lion attacks are rare, it is because mountain lions are not common, and interactions between mountain lions and humans are uncommon. A 38 special? A mountain lion has slaughtered 27 lambs on a farm in Northern California but did not eat a single one. There was a story this week of a California child attacked by a mountain lion, allegedly 10 ft. from his family. 6+1 capacity, and will group within 3 inches at 25 yds. Mountain lions are apex predators with the ability to kill elk, mule deer, and coyotes with ease - but they aren't usually aggressive toward hikers and their dogs. Rifle first if at all possible. Bye the way thats 6 rounds of death spitting out of the end of that gun ! This may not have been a great time for firearm but it begs the questions: (1) What's a good caliber to stop a cat at 3 - 20 yds, and (2) what kind of round (solid, hollow point)? Pretty cool! .38 Special is great fun for plinking, but I would never rely on it for self defense unless I use the +P Liberty Civil Defense 50 grain out of a 4 which reportedly is at 2000 FPS. Yes. With the right bullet most large caliber handguns will end the confrontation in your favor if done this way. Not only does it take time to shoot, but it's also not enough to stop a cougar from coming at you. However, I can get 2 aimed shots with my hot 10mm for every one with any big bore revolver Ive ever shot. When I fleshed the bear skull I filled a 5 gallon bucket with muscle meat from the skull. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. wild boars A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, I carefully googled this story using the locationImpossible to find any story that confirms that what you said id true. Caliber: 357 or better. .38 special have been a huge disappointment for me. The big cats are thin skinned and not that hard to kill. May 12, 2018. Rocky the dog was left with a hole in his head that went "down to his brain" after he bravely defended his . Attacks continued and now a lion is dead. The ultimate outcomeof this predatory performanceisn't clear, but watching a puma stalking a pair of bull elk makes for an unforgettable sighting. I decently placed 5.56 will kill anything in north america. 2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. Suddenly everyone was yelling at Paul not to move and the somewhat lethargic lion placed his jaw on the boys head and put its paw on him. Absolutely. When it comes to wheel guns should they be ported? Plenty of good options in DA revolvers tried and true .44 mag, .454 casull, .460 S&W, etc. cougars with my S&W 500 magnum. 8. You are on the Alaskan highways lets get that straight. They invited me out and told me that if I go, be forewarned that there are grizzlies about. A 629 classic 44 Mag. where do you come up with this bullshit. You arent arent going to get to reload and the targets are moving really fast. The way I see it there exists no substitute for accuracy, proper shot placement, and 3. I doubt that I have walked past a moose without noticing. Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. Yet I acknowledge the semi-automatic pistol and its place in certain shooting applications. We dont know what caliber, make or model the handgun was. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. Its got the velocity, but wonder if it would have the penetration? Now before we take a look at particular models and calibers, lets get one basic premise out of the way: when the excrement hits the oscillator, any gun is better than no gun. The 400gr cowboy loads are mild and I could shoot them all day. Tracy Ross 3:00 AM MST on Jan 1, 2023. I agree, whatever you have at the moment, is the best choice. double action using 250gr. bird watching, hiking, backpacking, and enjoying nature. This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. If the attacking bear is perfectly downwind, you will have some chance with bear spray. I would wantShortFast out of the holster.and powerful. Just my 2 cents for whats its worth. If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. They come in 45 Win Mag and 50 AE as well. do revolvers. Curious if anyone has evaluated any of the older Cold War Warsaw Pact pistols. 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